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[Steerpike]

I'll have a map up tonight with everyone's positions. Just so you can consider it in your posts, though, every who is charmed is going to struggle to get past you to the source of the song as best they can. You guys won't be able to passively herd them around, so take into account their struggles. If the situation calls for it, we might even use opposing STR checks as the charmed people try to throw off those trying to help them.

 

[Ireth]

Oh, goody. Cadell only has a strength of 9, and it's not a prime. XDDD This'll be fun.

 

[Keitsumah]

lolz!!! keits STR is ten! and she's a druid compared to the knight! lol

a lotta people are gonna end up with bruises on their heads soon.... *evil grin* can knocking out a person stop them from going to the source of the song?

 

[Steerpike]

can knocking out a person stop them from going to the source of the song?

You'll have to try to find out. Keep in mind that hitting with staffs and the like deals normal damage, not non-lethal damage.

 

[Keitsumah]

drat. hmmm... ill have to take a look at my spells...

what does first aid(L) do? is it just a normal healing spell? and im toying with an idea to splash them with water...

 

[Ravana]

First Aid stops bleeding and sterilizes the wound—usually. It won't stop magical bleeding, and won't counter any poison or disease the victim may have already picked up from a failed saving throw. Doesn't heal any HP, and doesn't have any affect on anything other than the above. Level 0 spells are like that, sadly.

 

[Ravana]

All—one big ol' major, serious suggestion, which my character can't make but which hopefully you'd all realize from being around Baldhart long enough: don't try to stop Algernon.

Not unless you're going for slapstick rather than effectiveness, that is.

 

[Nihal]

I bet the best way to stop him—besides ending the song—would be tripping him. But don't use your own body, hah!

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Oh… so I unwittingly did what I'm supposed to. For once, I chose not to rush forward with a sword and it was the right thing to do?

Of course, I have no idea what the hell to do with my two lightweights.

As for Algernon, he likely won't be using primal instinct against his will… unless Steerpike says he has to. Ha, ha!

Punches, shield bashes, and staff bonks are all non-lethal?

 

[Ireth]

Punches, shield bashes, and staff bonks are all non-lethal?

I think Steerpike said they're NOT non-lethal, i.e., they can be lethal if you hit hard enough.

 

[Ravana]

As for Algernon, he likely won't be using primal instinct against his will… unless Steerpike says he has to. Ha, ha!

Actually, I was figuring that's exactly what he'd do… simply because he isn't thinking right now, only trying to reach a place he's being compelled to reach. He isn't about to let anything stop him—so anything that tries is going to face all the force he can muster. Unless Steerpike says he can't use it under the circumstances.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Oh. Well, punches are non-lethal, but it takes a lot to punch somebody out. Badhart's punches inflict 4-6 damage, but I'd rather use her strength to move people. Much better odds there.

If moving people is the thing to do, I'll save Intimidate for Algernon. (Effect: -2 to all rolls.) Assuming he won't use Primary Instinct (I'm guessing we don't use skills when charmed), that'll give Baldy a 7-point advantage in strength. Still… can't hurt to have two guys on him. He's about the maximum weight that Baldhart can move, and he'll keep resisting.

By "resisting" I mean "singing along."


@Ravana, well… if you want him to and you can use skills when charmed, that will add to entertainment value.

 

[Ravana]

Like I said, I actually wasn't expecting him to have the choice: I figured he would use it in his present condition… automatically, whether I "want" him to or not.

Intimidate may not work on someone who's already under mental compulsion. Though it might be worth a try: for all I know, it might overwhelm (and thus break) the compulsion. My guess is that it would be more difficult than normal—i.e. the charmed character would get a better saving throw than usual; the most obvious method would be to add the charm CR to the save roll.

Honestly, though, since we're probably going to have to confront whatever it is that's charming people anyway, it probably isn't worth the trouble even trying to stop Algernon; might be just as well to follow along behind him. We'll all be going that way anyway, eh?

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

True (about confronting the singer).

I was just following the out-of-character discussion which seems to promote muscling characters away… unless I took that out of context. I think intimidate would just lower all rolls by -2, but not dispel the charm. I'm just taking that skill at its face value.

 

[Ravana]

Depends on how the GM wants to interpret it. If the charm is sufficiently compelling, it may not be possible to "intimidate" the person at all: they're so fixated upon the charmer that such mundane interference is simply ignored. (After all, the charm is a magical effect, whereas your skill is not.) I doubt it's quite that strong a compulsion in this case: just pointing out the possibility.

It may also work exactly the way it normally does. Or, as mentioned, it may even be such a shock that it snaps the victim out of it by imposing conflicting mental imperatives.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Hmm… that's interesting. I could try that then.

The cool thing about Intimidate is that you can intimidate another target, but it cancels prior targets' intimidation if you go over your limit. <=(This has already been discussed.) If that actually works, that means Algernon is next on Baldy's list, and she and Algernon just scare the hell out of party members. That would be funny!


EDIT - Tried it.

@Steerpike, if that's too many actions I'll understand. I figured Baldy can yell shut up to Alin's put-me-down, but still, no biggie if I can't use the skill until next turn.

If I can and IF it snaps the Aliron out of it (no +10 bonus!), this is gonna be fun. And I will target Algernon as soon as Baldy can leave the room because I really want to see him make use of that skill! In fact, maybe he gets all the fun once freed since Baldy can grab her sword before she gets to him.

 

[Ravana]

And I will target Algernon as soon as Baldy can leave the room because I really want to see him make use of that skill! In fact, maybe he gets all the fun once freed since Baldy can grab her sword before she gets to him.

I'm looking forward to it.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Well, yeah… if it has the desired effect.

So far, it didn't get Aliron to shut up. His "taking the friendship too far" line made me laugh, though. Me laughing is a desired effect.

 

[Keitsumah]

hmm... ill have keit threaten him with Batos.

And what is a guy's weakness?? *chomp*

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Well, nobody likes getting bit by a…

…oh.



Eep.