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Ravana

Ravana

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Ireth said:
Sparkiiiie! If you've got time, Cadell could really use a healer before he bleeds out, please and thank you! ^^;
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Well, now, if someone can get her to Hiljikki—or someone tells Hiljikki that Cadell is down and bleeding out—she could probably do something useful about it. If it happens in time. Perhaps someone would like to drape Cadell across her horse and get her back to the temple?

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Also, just out of curiosity—why is Sir Matthew trying to patch up an injured wolf while the battle is still in progress? Not attacking a helpless enemy, fine; providing the enemy aid and comfort once his friends are no longer trying to kill your friends, sure; Hiljikki would even approve of the attempt to succor the wolf… would probably try to do it herself if she were out there, and nothing more urgent were pressing. But unless he's following a very different code from the "standard" one for the knight (I don't know: he might be… that's why I'm asking :confused: ), he's not obliged to stop in the middle of a fight to aid an enemy. Indeed, stopping while combat still rages and his allies are still under threat would be a violation of the code as given (see "Defense," et al.), not adherence to it. Just sayin'.
 
Nihal

Nihal

Valar Lord
Ravana said:
Well, now, if someone can get her to Hiljikki—or someone tells Hiljikki that Cadell is down and bleeding out—she could probably do something useful about it. If it happens in time. Perhaps someone would like to drape Cadell across her horse and get her back to the temple?
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I'm only waiting Steerpike's update to make my move, which will be probably dropping any useless weight and running into the battlefield to patch up Cadell. Mauve won't run straight to him, she's going to make an arc instead to avoid passing too close to enemies. I know it's stupid and risky...

Yet it's what she can do with what she knows. The characters can't see tags identifying their classes over their classes, she doesn't know Hiljikki is a druid and can magically heal people - she knows very little about druids anyway -, neither she does know that Rydh can heal too. She thinks he's some sort of knight or fighter.

So, she won't warn Hiljikki. Only two reasons would make her warn the druid, one would be because she's a healer, other because she's a friend. So far Hiljikki interacted with her long enough to try a decoy and that's all. The other party members barely talked to her, only extracting information and giving little in return, she has no reason to share what she knows, thinking they will ignore her anyway.

She even fears leaving the temple, not only for herself but because she wants to keep Burnbright safe. She hopes Hiljikki will keep the girl inside if she tries to run to the battle.
 
Legendary Sidekick

Legendary Sidekick

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Ravana, I did consider your option 4, but it requires coordination and consensus with little in-character dialogue to work in-game… and we're not there yet.
 
Legendary Sidekick

Legendary Sidekick

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@Ravana, on cover, there are in-game benefits. What I meant by cover being irrelevant was in this case, since in-game rules would force wolves to remain engaged or take a free hit. As long as archers are far enough from fighters, the enemy fighters can only get to the archers if allied fighters are outnumbered. We're not—because of the dwarves.

@Phietadix, I agree with Ravana's analysis of the knight's code. Honor is the reason not to attack the wolf, but Courage and Defense are reasons to not waste time trying to befriend a deranged animal. I think only Ravana's character can tame it if she learned the Calm Animal spell (or whatever it's called). Even then… would she? The reindeer and the meat-eating predator might not make good roommates. Not that a toothless wolf can eat.
 
Ireth

Ireth

Mythic Scribe
I'm inclined to agree with Phietadix and LS. Refusing to attack the wolf is one thing, but he could at LEAST try to protect those who are still in danger. (Like the elf who's getting frostbite up his nose. :/)
 
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Phietadix

Phietadix

Shadow Lord
You have all made your point, and made fun of my character's action. I doubt I could change the action and no matter what was planning on attacking the other enemies next turn. I'm still not entirely sure that you are interpreting the code correctly. Matthew didn't flee and is still in considerable danger to be attacked. And the other players don't really depend on Matthew for protection. While it would almost certainly have been better to wait for the druid if we wanted the wolf on our side, it can't be changed now. I'll be sure to make fun of your character next time you make a mistake. Or, better yet, not since it could have been pointed out in a much better way.
 
Ireth

Ireth

Mythic Scribe
I did not intentionally make fun of your character, and I apologize if anything I said could be interpreted that way. Let's not belabour the point any longer.
 
Ravana

Ravana

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Phietadix said:
You have all made your point, and made fun of my character's action. I doubt I could change the action and no matter what was planning on attacking the other enemies next turn. I'm still not entirely sure that you are interpreting the code correctly.
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Who was making fun? I was asking, since the action seemed irrational to me. As I said, I didn't (and for that matter still don't) know if you're using a different code than what's presented.

I can, however, make a very good case for interpreting the code as it is written to mean you take care of your comrades-in-arms first. So could anyone who's ever been in the military. Your comrades are unquestionably among "those who depend on [the knight's] strength"; likewise, you may not have removed yourself from danger but you also haven't "fight until death or until victory is achieved," since neither of those has taken place yet. To which might be added "follows through on commitments," if you've made any to the rest of the group (there are implied ones simply be being part of a group, even if none have been spoken), and "punish the guilty"—the ones guilty of maiming a companion, for example. And nothing in the code—again, as written—says the first thing about aiding a fallen enemy; the closest it gets is being "as generous as possible"… and that "generosity," even if taken to apply in this manner and not merely to material wealth, extends just as much to friend as foe.

I'm sure, were Hiljikki out there with you, you would wonder why she would be refusing to drive her spear into any of the wolves at all. To which I would have an answer: her religion forbids her from doing so. I thought perhaps you had some similar reason. But even her faith does not require her to drop whatever she's doing to help one. She might end up dying because she isn't allowed to kill a wolf menacing her friends, but the wolf would still have to go through her first, and in the meantime she'd do everything within her power to prevent it from doing so. (I'm not actually clear on what a self-defense situation would require of her: penance, perhaps? Dunno. I'd like to think no god would be so insane as to prefer losing a devout follower over allowing her to protect herself, but, to paraphrase a certain dread pirate, "I've known too many gods.") And, as I also said, she would applaud efforts to aid the wolf, once things were wrapped up. Yes, even with her reindeer friend taken into account.

Fortunately, goblins do not receive the same consideration, or she would have been really distressed.… :p

Ultimately, how you interpret the chivalric code is between you and Steerpike. I do feel safe in thinking I can't be too far off base, however, unless, as mentioned, there are other factors of which I'm unaware.

In any case, the intention was not to mock. It was to point out things which need to be done differently in future battles. I apologize that you took it otherwise.
 
Nihal

Nihal

Valar Lord
Phietadix said:
You have all made your point, and made fun of my character's action. I doubt I could change the action and no matter what was planning on attacking the other enemies next turn. I'm still not entirely sure that you are interpreting the code correctly. Matthew didn't flee and is still in considerable danger to be attacked. And the other players don't really depend on Matthew for protection. While it would almost certainly have been better to wait for the druid if we wanted the wolf on our side, it can't be changed now. I'll be sure to make fun of your character next time you make a mistake. Or, better yet, not since it could have been pointed out in a much better way.
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I only made fun as a comeback to your comments about the useless Mauve (feel free to still joke about it, I'm still shocked I failed 6 spells but it's funny anyway, for she's a proud character). So far it was all a big joke.

I'm sorry if it all ended coming out of hand. Agreeing or not, it's your, not my character and by no means I'm trying to say how you should play.
 
Legendary Sidekick

Legendary Sidekick

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Sorry, Phietadix. I struck a nerve but was aiming for the funny bone in an attempt to play off the humorous banter between you and Nihal. I apologize if I crossed the line. Also, as Nihal said above, it's up to you, not Ravana and I, how your character interprets and follows his code.
 
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