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[Steerpike]

Whatever works. I'm fine with saying that the merchant took advantage of all of the deals to his own best benefit.

As for the bickering between characters, I think that works fine as an RP tool and it makes sense given the character's various personalities. The bickering between actual players in the form of OOC comments should probably come down a notch or three.

 

[Phietadix]

Well The longbow of course can't be cancelled and there was no debate ((That I know of)) that says it should be. But on the next two prioritys, it really depends of the amount of buisness he gets. If he gets alot #3 would be highet than #2 because without #3 it would mean he can't do any more buisness that day.

But I thought it was clear when speaking to Ankari that Matthew believed we didn't need the new weapons at all. We certainly don't need two ranged weapons for Burnbright and as there's plenty of bolts available the crossbow would be the better choice as we wouldn't need to buy arrows.

Also it sounded like Ankari (Character) didn't realize that Matthew should have a say in his gifts to Burnbright becauce he implied that Matthew would use them himself.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

I figured that all deals DID happen. I merely pointed out the pecking order to show why Ankari's deal wouldn't have been cancelled by Sir Matthew's.

And, yeah, everyone got what they wanted, so let's just enjoy the game.

Burnbright can use the crossbow, but Ankari can train her to use a regular bow. You made a good point that crossbows are the bow for the untrained (peasant).

 

[Phietadix]

I figured that all deals DID happen. I merely pointed out the pecking order to show why Ankari's deal wouldn't have been cancelled by Sir Matthew's.

And, yeah, everyone got what they wanted, so let's just enjoy the game.

Burnbright can use the crossbow, but Ankari can train her to use a regular bow. You made a good point that crossbows are the bow for the untrained (peasant).

But Matthew was also going to train Burnbright. And as mentioned before he should have more expeience than Ankari at training soilders. Also It's not worth it to have both deals, one needs to be canceled. Both deals overlap and as you pointed out we shouldn't have more than we need.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

True, but there's no point in arguing about it here because

the merchant took advantage of all of the deals to his own best benefit.

 

[Phietadix]

First, you're taking half a sentance out of context. Heres what Steerpike said.

Whatever works. I'm fine with saying that the merchant took advantage of all of the deals to his own best benefit.

While I could easily be misinterpreting it, it sounds like we can still decide. It's a waste of our gold, time and space to accept both deals, we don't need that much equipment. Thus one should be cancelled. It sounds like we have the opportunity to still cancel one. But we need to decide which.

 

[Phietadix]

Just a couple more things to note befor any decisions are made. Remember I have two shields? I really only need one so I planned on giving one to Burnbright. And with the steep offensive penalties for two weapon fighting. It seems logical to me that a shield would be better than an offhand weapon for Burnbright. Whether or not to use the crossbow or bow seems pretty even, greater speed but needs more experience = bow. Less speed but less experience = crossbow. We have one party member for each that is completely capable of training Burnbright for either. So the main thing here as I see it is Ammo. While ammo is cheap, we already have several party members using arrows and have none to spare, we have 100 bolts, thus it seems logical to me that the crossbow would be the better choice. The main issue here is the weapons, I have no objections to the bag or cloak, as together they are less than 3 gold. We need to conserve our resources and one of the main things about Matthews deal is it takes no gold.

I await Ankari's response, if he can provide a more logical reason that his deal is better, then I'll likely support his deal.

P.S. I know this is just an RPG and that I shouldn't be thinking this hard.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

I hope this comes off as polite as I intend it to.

I'm 99.9% sure Act I is a done deal. We're already getting close to a potential combat situation in II, so we can't afford to debate over what weapons we already bought. Baldhart and Aliron left with what they wanted, so they can't be in the discussion. Then Ankari left and paid for his order with his own gold. Then in the final two posts of the Act, the merchant agreed to Matthew's terms and you wrote that he walked on to fulfill his end of the bargain. Everyone got what they wanted, including the merchant. Especially the merchant considering our self-defeating haggling skills. (Baldhart is included in that comment. I could have undone Ankari's words if I failed that second charisma check. That was me RP'ing Baldhart's low wisdom stat more than anything else.)

If the characters could get into a discussion about which deal to cancel, the one thing no one would have the right to do is talk Ankari or Matthew out of their respective purchases. Ankari used his starting gold and Matthew used his own equipment--and he paid in hard labor. Matthew had every right to challenge Ankari's use of his gifts to Burnbright, but none of us can challenge what Ankari does with his starting gold. Ankari has chosen to use his starting gold for Burnbright's benefit, plus Baldhart got a free scabbard out of the deal. He also paid for the party's rooms and the one meal we were charged for. It would be very silly for us to gang up on Ankari over how he spends his own gold, when all he asked for from Father Harald's funds were some arrows (which he could easily afford).

Even the composite longbow can't be cancelled (though I goofed--I, not Baldhart--and should have gone with the regular longbow; it's damage is the same, so the extra 25G only gave us 10' more in range, which is probably literally nothing. I doubt we're accurate to within ten feet. I'll chalk up my error to realistic RP. Baldhart knows nothng about archery, and real life has no damage dice so the best bow would be seen as the best bow). Aliron used his own gold--almost all of it!--and I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that he's the guy who should have the best bow we can find.

Anyway, we were all less than perfect in our shopping spree, but I think it made for an intersting finish for Act I. I hope we can simply enjoy the RP and move intothrough Act II a little wiser. (My lesson: look at the PDF while I make a shopping post. Severin even told me the right longbow, and I still goofed!)

 

[Phietadix]

Yes Act 1 is complete but it appears that Steerpike is still letting us decide, (Or I'm misinterpreting his statement). Burnbright doesn't need nine weapons, she can't carry nine weapons. (This is assuming, however that the weapons Ankari bought were meant for Burnbright, the reason I assumed this is they were originally replacing Burnbrights other weapons. If the additional weapons Ankari bought were for other party members (Cadell for example), I have no problem with accepting both deals). Also, one last point, you keep bringing up the longbow, Why? No one ever disputed that purchase.

 

[Steerpike]

Probably time to drop this issue, since we're well into Act II. Players may disagree over the correct course, but as noted above it is ultimately the individual player that decides on his course of action. It appears to me from reading the threads that Ankari has settled on making the purchases that he wants. Matthew has also settled on the transaction that appeals to him. Party members may disagree but no character can override the decisions of another with respect to this sort of thing. Each of Matthew, Ankari, and Baldhart made the transactions they wanted and we'll leave it at that. That recognizes the greater control of each player over his own character and also gets the game moving past this point

 

[Phietadix]

Probably time to drop this issue, since we're well into Act II. Players may disagree over the correct course, but as noted above it is ultimately the individual player that decides on his course of action. It appears to me from reading the threads that Ankari has settled on making the purchases that he wants. Matthew has also settled on the transaction that appeals to him. Party members may disagree but no character can override the decisions of another with respect to this sort of thing. Each of Matthew, Ankari, and Baldhart made the transactions they wanted and we'll leave it at that. That recognizes the greater control of each player over his own character and also gets the game moving past this point

Fair enough, this has run far past it's course. But now on the more pratical point. Who's getting what? It's never been determind where the Equipmet goes. I was getting the crossbow and dagger for Burnbright. And of our recent purchases that's really all she needs (Except possibily the shortbow) So what about the rest? We can't use it until we know who has it.

 

[Steerpike]

Yeah you guys can decide who has it, or maybe better have some of it stowed in packs or on horses. Some characters are going to have more equipment than they can reasonable carry, and that's going to cause them some problems. You guys can decide how to distribute the items as you see fit.

 

[Phietadix]

Well what I Suggest we do is this. Give one knife each to Aliron and Cadell, to use as an additonal weapon if they need it. Give the bag, cloak, and my purchases to Burnbright. Then put the rest in storage either on mine or Cadell's horses or at the inn. What does everyont think of this arrangement?

 

[Ireth]

Well what I Suggest we do is this. Give one knife each to Aliron and Cadell, to use as an additonal weapon if they need it. Give the bag, cloak, and my purchases to Burnbright. Then put the rest in storage either on mine or Cadell's horses or at the inn. What does everyont think of this arrangement?

Sounds fair to me. ^^

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Ditto.



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That^ was overkill for meeting the 10 character requirement.

 

[Phietadix]

"If you don't believe then you would do better to get this shining sword of yours and slay me. It's not fair that I get interrogated as if I was a criminal, specially when you already hold the advantage! I know nothing about you, not even how many you are! What do you think I am going to do? Suddenly turn into a monster and kill you all? Conjure an army out of my pocket?"

I would want Matthew close to the front as well, as his sword and shield are needed there.

Just to clarify, I don't even own a sword at this point. While I had one in Act I it was never used and I gave it to Burnbright. The weapon I use is a spear.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

Oops. Spear. My bad.

And yeah, as a follower of Tyr, it would be silly not to use a spear!



That sad part is I drew the spear on that silly chalk drawing.

 

[Nihal]

Just to clarify, I don't even own a sword at this point. While I had one in Act I it was never used and I gave it to Burnbright. The weapon I use is a spear.

Crap. I admit I've lost the track of your equipment changes during the famous trade, before writing this passage I checked the character's stuff to be sure you had a sword... the first page only. :x

Consider she saying "fancy spear" so. (because it's probably a full sized one, unlike her own)

By the way, it would be awesome if we could be able to keep editing our posts in this topic in particular. I don't know if vBulletin allows such specific tweaking, but if it's not a great hassle implementing this would keep the gear's topic from becoming a snowball.

 

[Legendary Sidekick]

I had an interesting thought on feats of strength.

1) I suppose we can combine our strength when an object is big enough.

2) I suppose in order to do that, only characters with bonuses would be able to contribute. [1d20+(combined bonuses)] Penalties make sense as a detriment if you think of the not-so-physically-strong characters as "just getting in the way."

3) I suppose Baldhart would NOT be able to use Primal Instinct in this situation, meaning that she'd be better off lifting heavy stuff by herself, unless the other players contribute 5+ points in STR bonuses. Primal Instinct gives +4 to STR/DEX/CON checks, but the barbarian has to just go for the challenge without giving it a second thought. Any "careful" feats of strength have to be rolled without the +4. (Like the use of leverage and hammering.)


So those were my thoughts. I guess the best course of action is to leave the heavy lifting to my girl.

Oh… and check for traps first. She can't ask if you did that and still attempt the task at full strength!

 

[Phietadix]

I have a question for Steerpike. I made my character with entriely 10/12 abilty scores(Paritally because I'm used to being able to increase abilty scores every few levels), I was wondering if you would allow me to change them to be more useful.