AkamaruGames
Mystagogue
Ha! Summoning demons always ends well. Only thing worse are wishes.
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Baldhart and Nissa know nothing of this demon! Probably just as well… they also don't know about the pact. Alison mentioned "deal with the devil," but I figured Baldy wouldn't take that literally.
SeverinR
Valar Lord
Where is the God of Scratching posts and catnip?
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Trying to make sure everyone has time to post, since only LS posted since the last update. I'll get a post up in a few minutes.
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Hey guys - got in work early to update and our network was down. Update coming today.
Cool. By the way, Nissa would have answered Tumi.
Her words: "Asra is Masama's goddess." If press for information about Asra, "I never met Her. But Masama is a good man. From what he has shared of his faith, Asra's path likely runs alongside Baldr's… and Ullr's, when it comes to accepting fate."
She realizes that Masama is likely worshipping the sun, which is nonliving, but prior to becoming a valkyrie she had faith in goddesses she could not see. So for one, just the sun isn't Asra, doesn't mean that Asra doesn't exist. Two, Nissa hasn't met elven gods but she heard enough to believe they exist, so she doesn't doubt a god's existence based on who she met or what she heard. And three, if Asra doesn't exist, Nissa wouldn't say anything to piss on Masama's parade.
(About the Ullr thing: a god of skiing probably probably has mellow followers who might say something like "Asra wills it," but more casually phrased.)
Her words: "Asra is Masama's goddess." If press for information about Asra, "I never met Her. But Masama is a good man. From what he has shared of his faith, Asra's path likely runs alongside Baldr's… and Ullr's, when it comes to accepting fate."
She realizes that Masama is likely worshipping the sun, which is nonliving, but prior to becoming a valkyrie she had faith in goddesses she could not see. So for one, just the sun isn't Asra, doesn't mean that Asra doesn't exist. Two, Nissa hasn't met elven gods but she heard enough to believe they exist, so she doesn't doubt a god's existence based on who she met or what she heard. And three, if Asra doesn't exist, Nissa wouldn't say anything to piss on Masama's parade.
(About the Ullr thing: a god of skiing probably probably has mellow followers who might say something like "Asra wills it," but more casually phrased.)
Ireth
Mythic Scribe
Question that just occurred to me... whatever became of Biorn? Was he left in the village with the other children, or is he still tagging along with Cadell?
I think he's with us now. I assumed he was with the horse... which reminds me, how does a horse work into the current obstacle?
Ireth
Mythic Scribe
I assume Cadell would have stabled Llucheden in town. If Biorn's with her, he'd be in town too.
EDIT: then again, it would have been easier to ride out to camp rather than walking, so feel free to disregard the above. So the horse + river question still stands.
EDIT: then again, it would have been easier to ride out to camp rather than walking, so feel free to disregard the above. So the horse + river question still stands.
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Oh… well, then the horse issue is a non-issue. Yeah, now that you mentioned it, I think you did post Cadell going into town and stabling Llucheden. I don't remember what Biorn was doing, but maybe SP will go along with Biorn minding the horse. Or maybe he is—and is posted as doing so, since none of the recent GM posts mention him.
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During the gap in the game time I lost track of Biorn. I don't have my notes with me as I am out of town. Let's assume the horse would be stabled in town and that Biorn would be in town as well, unless Ireth wants Biorn to be with Cadell. He'd go where Cadell said.
Ireth
Mythic Scribe
Having Llucheden and Biorn in town would make things easier for the party at present, so let's go with that. I just hope they'll end up going back to town relatively soon to retrieve them and Dalla, if she's still accompanying the group to Drimmen-delve.
AkamaruGames
Mystagogue
So is this a strength roll then? Or is it dex? Any bonuses for the rope across the river or just flat 12 for primary, 18 for secondary? Or do I just roll and let the gm tell me what happened?
Roll the better attribute. Baldhart is insanely strong, but clumsy, so she went with STR. I'm guessing your rogue is a DEX guy, so go with DEX if that's the case.
The roll is 1d20+LEVEL+DEX MOD… and of course if you have a relevant class bonus, you add it.
12 is likely a fail. I don't know if this is like the climb where you only fall off if you fail by five. But yes, roll and let the GM tell what happened. I figured it was safe to assume Baldy made it since her rolls are way better than the confirmed successes from last turn.
The roll is 1d20+LEVEL+DEX MOD… and of course if you have a relevant class bonus, you add it.
12 is likely a fail. I don't know if this is like the climb where you only fall off if you fail by five. But yes, roll and let the GM tell what happened. I figured it was safe to assume Baldy made it since her rolls are way better than the confirmed successes from last turn.
AkamaruGames
Mystagogue
Actually, looking at the description for my rogue climb skill, would I even need to make a check at all? Apparently my powers allow me to climb cliff faces without need of a check. Surely gripping onto a rope with my hands and legs in a river isnt harder than that climbing a cliff face? Unless there is some particular difficulty I'm just not seeing.
Might not hurt to wait for a GM clarification—of your question and also how dire Liadan's situation is.
@SP, if Liadan is still able to grip the rope but just can't move forward, Baldhart doesn't sprint downstream—just uses the check to go to Liadan (using the rope herself) and guide her to shore. And Nissa just calmly waits for someone to hand her a rope (and will insist on not letting Burnbright cross without one). I'll delete my latest post and rewrite based on what she actually has to react to if that's the case.
@Akamaru, I know when Baldy had to climb, she had to do a check but would only fall if she failed by 5 points. I'm not sure if that's because of the barbarian skill or if it's a general rule for climbing—which makes sense, since difficulty climbing usually involves a struggle rather than immediate fall and splat. SP has allowed barbarians (and I assume rangers and rogues) to do some athletic feats without a check, since those three classes have a climb skill (and other athletic skills, at least in the barbarians' case). I'm not sure if that applies to this situation. I'm guessing not, since the GM post didn't exempt anyone from the check. SP will normally mention exceptions, unless the exception is something obvious like Nissa's ability to fly over an obstacle.
@SP, if Liadan is still able to grip the rope but just can't move forward, Baldhart doesn't sprint downstream—just uses the check to go to Liadan (using the rope herself) and guide her to shore. And Nissa just calmly waits for someone to hand her a rope (and will insist on not letting Burnbright cross without one). I'll delete my latest post and rewrite based on what she actually has to react to if that's the case.
@Akamaru, I know when Baldy had to climb, she had to do a check but would only fall if she failed by 5 points. I'm not sure if that's because of the barbarian skill or if it's a general rule for climbing—which makes sense, since difficulty climbing usually involves a struggle rather than immediate fall and splat. SP has allowed barbarians (and I assume rangers and rogues) to do some athletic feats without a check, since those three classes have a climb skill (and other athletic skills, at least in the barbarians' case). I'm not sure if that applies to this situation. I'm guessing not, since the GM post didn't exempt anyone from the check. SP will normally mention exceptions, unless the exception is something obvious like Nissa's ability to fly over an obstacle.
AkamaruGames
Mystagogue
As far as I can tell, barbarians have no particular climb skill, but any character can attempt to climb things (within reason) with a check. Rogues and assassins have a particular climb skill that makes climbing easier for them than others.
Here's what the book says straight out of the rogue class ability section (the parts that I am talking about are in bold):
CLIMB (Dexterity): This extraordinary ability allows a rogue to climb up, down, or across a slope, wall, steep incline (even a ceiling with handholds), or unusually angled natural or man made slope or incline that others would find impossible to climb. When doing so, the rogue moves at one-half the character’s normal speed. A failed climb check means that the character makes no progress. A check that fails by 5 or more means that the character falls from the currently attained height, and must suffer falling damage. Rogues can not carry anything in their hands while climbing. When climbing typical natural slopes and man made inclines, such as a cliff faces or steep steps, a rogue does not need to make an attribute check to climb the surface.
This ability is affected by wearing armor not on the armor list for the rogue.
As far as I can tell, I only need to make a check if I were climbing something that would normally be impossible to climb for others without the skill. This river rope seems to be designed for anyone to climb (that IS it's purpose by the look of things, and there is nothing to it that is making the rope particularly unclimbable, otherwise no one other than rogues and assassins would be getting across, regardless of checks), so that's why I wonder if I need bother with a check.
Here's what the book says straight out of the rogue class ability section (the parts that I am talking about are in bold):
CLIMB (Dexterity): This extraordinary ability allows a rogue to climb up, down, or across a slope, wall, steep incline (even a ceiling with handholds), or unusually angled natural or man made slope or incline that others would find impossible to climb. When doing so, the rogue moves at one-half the character’s normal speed. A failed climb check means that the character makes no progress. A check that fails by 5 or more means that the character falls from the currently attained height, and must suffer falling damage. Rogues can not carry anything in their hands while climbing. When climbing typical natural slopes and man made inclines, such as a cliff faces or steep steps, a rogue does not need to make an attribute check to climb the surface.
This ability is affected by wearing armor not on the armor list for the rogue.
As far as I can tell, I only need to make a check if I were climbing something that would normally be impossible to climb for others without the skill. This river rope seems to be designed for anyone to climb (that IS it's purpose by the look of things, and there is nothing to it that is making the rope particularly unclimbable, otherwise no one other than rogues and assassins would be getting across, regardless of checks), so that's why I wonder if I need bother with a check.
Here's the barbarian skill:
@SP, I edited my post with parenthetical ifs, since I don't know if the fail-by-five rule applies here, in which case Liadan is probably clinging to the rope. (Masama's 16 was "has no trouble" so I guess the target is a lower number, though not less than 13.) I suppose I need that second STR roll in that case too though, since Baldy needs the 19 to get to Liadan by rope and the 16 would be the roll for the return trip. (Probably combined with Liadan's STR check, and Baldy's insurance that Liadan won't get swept away if she loses her grip. Not sure if that's right. I think this is the first major feat challenge for the party!)
And seeing how swimming is in there, AND the +4 bonus only counts if Baldy acts on instinct... so yeah, she's gotta throw caution to the wind!
@SP, I edited my post with parenthetical ifs, since I don't know if the fail-by-five rule applies here, in which case Liadan is probably clinging to the rope. (Masama's 16 was "has no trouble" so I guess the target is a lower number, though not less than 13.) I suppose I need that second STR roll in that case too though, since Baldy needs the 19 to get to Liadan by rope and the 16 would be the roll for the return trip. (Probably combined with Liadan's STR check, and Baldy's insurance that Liadan won't get swept away if she loses her grip. Not sure if that's right. I think this is the first major feat challenge for the party!)
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AkamaruGames
Mystagogue
Hmm... not sure where you are reading from. What I am looking at, the barbarian only gets the following abilities as they progess in levels: Combat sense, primal force, primal might, primal fury, and primal will.
But assuming you have what you say, that would let you swim across.
Probably the people with the biggest problems now would be whoever has heavy metal armor (though I dont know how deep the river actually is. If it is shallow enough to touch the bottom that might not be too big an issue.)
But assuming you have what you say, that would let you swim across.
Probably the people with the biggest problems now would be whoever has heavy metal armor (though I dont know how deep the river actually is. If it is shallow enough to touch the bottom that might not be too big an issue.)
I'm reading this.
In the full version of the C&C rulebook, there's more detail on that. But anyway, climbing and swimming are covered. In the dark elf battle, Baldhart was able to control a fall when she was thrown off a giant spiderwoman she was trying to choke out (she shape-shifted!)... though maybe that was GM creativity combining what a barbarian can do and what a monk can do. When SP gives me a freebie, I don't ask why.
In the full version of the C&C rulebook, there's more detail on that. But anyway, climbing and swimming are covered. In the dark elf battle, Baldhart was able to control a fall when she was thrown off a giant spiderwoman she was trying to choke out (she shape-shifted!)... though maybe that was GM creativity combining what a barbarian can do and what a monk can do. When SP gives me a freebie, I don't ask why.